Why so much complaining? - Guild Wars Forums

fezz47 · Jul 29, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Just wanted to put my 2 cents in about some of the posts I???ve seen lately on these boards.

Now first off, I see nothing wrong with people offering their opinion on the quality of a game, their likes dislikes etc. That???s what these forums are for. It makes sense to do this as the devs hopefully read these posts and will do things to improve the game.

But the thing I personally don???t understand are the number of posts complaining about the lack of things to do after you???ve done the main quests.

I???m at level 16 now and just checked my time logged in and it???s over 100 hrs! Now that???s about half of the mission quests I believe, so I have a considerable amount of the game still to play.

Now granted I suck at these type games as I???ve only played one other on-line game before and only for a couple of months. While I enjoyed this other game, the grinding, and lack of other players at my level made the game un-enjoyable after a while so I quit and saved myself 150 bucks a year.

So while I don???t have much to compare it too in this genre, I???ve already gotten more value from this game than most other games I have played. (and I???ve played a lot of em). I just finished Vampire Bloodlines, and while an excellent game IMO, it still only took me approx. 50 or so hrs. to complete. HL 2 took me about 20 hrs, and again, while it???s a great game, unless you play a lot of on-line stuff, (which I personally don???t like in an
FPS), it???s basically over after that amount of time.

My point is, what do you want for 50 bucks and no monthly fee? I???ve heard there???s going to be some new FREE content at the end of the summer as well as an xpack sometime next yr. Sure there are some problems with it, ( I personally hate the fact that you???re restricted where you can go), but lets face it nothing is perfect. Other than the original Deus Ex, which is IMO the best PC game ever made, I???ve already gotten more enjoyment and bang for my buck with this game than any other I???ve ever played.

Just my 2 cents.

Darkest Dawn · Jul 29, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

I agree. Constructive sharing of issues so the game is improved is very important. However, some people just like to complain....... <shrugs>

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55

most of the players complaining about nothing left to do have clocked well over 500 hours and can't get mommy to buy them a new game. There is plenty to do in Guild Wars...and after your 500 hours go do something else. The problem is that the majority of the Guild Wars community is children 11-15. Summer vacation means they have nothing to do and thus they sit in front of the computer 14 hours a day playing Guild Wars...no game lasts forever, you got your moneys worth.....

Shadowdaemon · Jul 29, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

i dont know how many hours i have put into GW, but its been alot, and i still think there is plenty to do, right now i am saving up for fissure armor, by the time i am done doing that, i am gonna help someone else do it, and i still go back and try and see how much of the game i can do solo, and work on different skill combonations and al sorts of stuff, i really cant see how much more people expect from a game, but i think GW is GREAT.

Bwsk8 · Jul 29, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Guild Wars is a great game. The best computer game ever IMHO. But since there is not monthly fee and it is online things are constantly changing and need improvment. So thats why players complain. Not because the game sucks but because people get fustrated with things such as the trade channel and the item drops. If we all paid $15 a month then they would deliver results extermely quick. Therefor since we do not we have to wait for results and thet causes complaining.

Loviatar · Jul 29, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Bwsk8

Therefor since we do not we have to wait for results and thet causes complaining.

Gaile just said an
auction house
bazarr
or some other more sophisticated way of making trade interaction was high on the list but did not give any timetable for implimentation

she did stress it was high on the to do list and not near the bottom though

Sir Skullcrasher · Jul 29, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

i don't think a auction house would be a good ideas.. since 70% to 80% of the players online for GuildWars are either selling stuff or trying to clear out their storage. If a-net did put a auction house in the game, most of the city or server would be half full or almost empty, which would cost people to team up with henchies instead of high level character.

*althought i could be wrong*

Arthur Eld · Jul 29, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

I agree. Deus Ex is the greatest game. Ever.

Loviatar · Jul 29, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

i If a-net did put a auction house in the game, most of the city or server would be half full or almost empty, which would cost people to team up with henchies instead of high level character.

*althought i could be wrong*

i would expect the districts (which scale) to still be as full but not filled with
WTS, WTB spam

this would make forming a party easier as you dont have to sort out the traders from the form partiers.

auction house was only 1 of several options on the table

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF

PUTTING AN NPC TYPE *SALES BUBBLE * OVER SOMEONES HEAD FOR PEOPLE TO READ RATHER THAN SPAMMING WTS, WTB?

Dax · Jul 29, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Arthur Eld

I agree. Deus Ex is the greatest game. Ever.

Deus Ex was a great game, maybe not the greatest but it was definately worth it. Hey we should start a topic of the greatest games of all time...heheh

Anyhow more to the point. I think overall I got my moneys worth with GW, although I think the game was made far too casual in the beginning (atleast when Istarted playing it) and people exploited the snot outta it, although now with the recent nerf everyone is complaining. Also there is really no depth for people who expected this to be a MMORPG (notice I didn't say GW was a MMORPG, that's another debate). Not a good economy, PvP vs PvE, yadda yadda. That's just my opinion.

But did I get my 50 bucks worth, yea I guess so.... but I was really hoping for that the experience was going to last me til the next expansion. should the yardstick of how good the game is depend of if we're not getting charged a monthly fee?

Sanji · Jul 29, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Pretty much the same reason you all are complaining or anybody complains for that matter.

They're blowing out hot air over something that frustrates them that they don't understand.

Branskins · Jul 29, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Bwsk8

Guild Wars is a great game. The best computer game ever IMHO. But since there is not monthly fee and it is online things are constantly changing and need improvment. So thats why players complain. Not because the game sucks but because people get fustrated with things such as the trade channel and the item drops. If we all paid $15 a month then they would deliver results extermely quick. Therefor since we do not we have to wait for results and thet causes complaining.

I do not just because we are not paying monthly that they will treat us like crap and not give us anything. A long time ago they said weekly or monthly content* updates. I do not know what has happened to that idea.

*Content as in new quests, items, instances. Not bug fixes, and so on.

Darriths Novastar · Jul 29, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Bwsk8

Guild Wars is a great game. The best computer game ever IMHO. But since there is not monthly fee and it is online things are constantly changing and need improvment. So thats why players complain. Not because the game sucks but because people get fustrated with things such as the trade channel and the item drops. If we all paid $15 a month then they would deliver results extermely quick. Therefor since we do not we have to wait for results and thet causes complaining.

Actually I played EQ for 2 years and I loved it and hated it much like I see people doing in this forum. But the fact that you pay 15 bucks a month doesnt change how fast they put updates out. Some things in EQ were broke and stayed broke from day 1. Don't know about eq2 or Wow (pretty sure wow is pretty solid I love blizzard hate monthly fees) update rates but ill bet they arent as fast as GW.

Phades · Jul 29, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Nah, blizzard pretty much followed the SOE template and are taking their sweet time to fix important things, while milking the community for what its worth. Of course it could be more of the VUG policy than blizzards in this instance, but i doubt anyone outside of the loop truly knows for sure.

Then again ANET is taking the hardline against things like botters, while E&G turned a blind eye to them, but they are both under NCsoft...

Aniewiel · Jul 29, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

I still say that ANet has offered more to its playerbase than any other company I've seen in any game I've played. They may not have brought forth much content yet as I suspect a lot of their time in this game's infancy has been fixing bugs and such. Who's to say that content won't be forthcoming more frequently as the number of bugs goes down? And even without content updates, ANet has been VERY good about patching bugs and exploits. You can't fault them there.

As for the complaining? It's just human nature, I suppose. No one can please everyone all the time. It's just that when some are happy, others aren't. When the others are happy, some are not.

And, I think that if you asked most people, they wouldn't honestly see their posts as complaints. Most would view them as constructive criticism.

Synncial77 · Jul 30, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Well, one reason that you see so much complaining is because THAT'S the reason why alot of people jump onto the forums in the first place - they see a problem with the game and are hoping to get their voices heard.

Very few people join a game-specific forum for the soul purpose of praising the game in question. Sure some people create threads of support as a response to to the negativity..but rarely will you see someone starting such a thread purely as their own idea.

----

Speaking about the updates in particular, the way I see it is that alot of people who visit these forums have become bored of the game. I believe that many of these people are looking to each "update" in hopes that it will add some new/fresh content. This is why you see people complaining if Anet misses a week or two. Not because there's really any specific thing that they think needs fixing...just that they want something new to do (even though the updates aren't even really meant for that sort of thing).

Shayul · Jul 30, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48

And even if said update is something that effects them negatively, they can still have hours of fun whining/ranting about it on the forums! =D

Tuna · Jul 30, 2005, 01:55 AM // 01:55

People are complaining because ANet has been ruining an excellent game for quite some time. People were also promised things via interview/press release/etc that never turned up in the game. When people feel cheated, disrespected, and are generally unhappy with a product they tend to complain.

You'll also find it interesting that shortly after retail folks such as Standard AI, me, and other 'PvPers' were meeting a lot of flak for our ideas. However, it seems that the majority of the community feels that somthing must change. The reason for this is simple. The thread starter is lvl 16; he probably sees absolutely nothing wrong with this game, as proven by his post. I agree with him from his point of view, at lvl 16 nothing needs major fixing. Unfortunatley we aren't lvl 16 forever. It seems to me that currently the 'casual gamer' is at the same spot the power gamers were a month ago. This means they are seeing the same frustrations we did and are slowly switching views.

Divinitys Creature · Jul 30, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Tuna

People are complaining because ANet has been ruining an excellent game for quite some time. People were also promised things via interview/press release/etc that never turned up in the game. When people feel cheated, disrespected, and are generally unhappy with a product they tend to complain.

You'll also find it interesting that shortly after retail folks such as Standard AI, me, and other 'PvPers' were meeting a lot of flak for our ideas. However, it seems that the majority of the community feels that somthing must change. The reason for this is simple. The thread starter is lvl 16; he probably sees absolutely nothing wrong with this game, as proven by his post. I agree with him from his point of view, at lvl 16 nothing needs major fixing. Unfortunatley we aren't lvl 16 forever. It seems to me that currently the 'casual gamer' is at the same spot the power gamers were a month ago. This means they are seeing the same frustrations we did and are slowly switching views.

Exactly, they are running out of PvE, will be kept busy for a while with the new areas then they will have nothing to do and will see things our way when they realise PvP is like a million levels that are always different.

Drakron · Jul 30, 2005, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by fezz47

Just wanted to put my 2 cents in about some of the posts I???ve seen lately on these boards.

Now first off, I see nothing wrong with people offering their opinion on the quality of a game, their likes dislikes etc. That???s what these forums are for. It makes sense to do this as the devs hopefully read these posts and will do things to improve the game.

Of course.

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But the thing I personally don???t understand are the number of posts complaining about the lack of things to do after you???ve done the main quests.

I???m at level 16 now and just checked my time logged in and it???s over 100 hrs! Now that???s about half of the mission quests I believe, so I have a considerable amount of the game still to play.

First saying "I am level 16" means nothing, I get at lv16 in Kryta before doing any of the missions there.

Now the problem with your statement is that people that complain about having nothing do mean they beat the game and done the avaible quests, we can say that because we have beat the game missions and done the quests and there is nothing else to do beside farming, replaying or PvP.

Problem is after I done with one character it becames boring doing it again, in fact I bet most people just rush new character after Yak's Bend because there is nothing new, class quests en in Yak's Bend and its the same old all over again.

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Now granted I suck at these type games as I???ve only played one other on-line game before and only for a couple of months. While I enjoyed this other game, the grinding, and lack of other players at my level made the game un-enjoyable after a while so I quit and saved myself 150 bucks a year.

Funny thing is I want to get into WoW because of this game.

This game have issues, if you think "lack of players of my level" is a issue just wait until you end up in a mission were nobody takes you because you are a mesmer/ranger/necromancer, wait until you have to beat 3 missions just to get send into another area and wait to the Thunderhead mission that tends to stuck players for a long time because groups usualy fail it.

This game lacks tradictional MMORPGs issues because it lacks the mechanics that creates such issues but it have its own issues.

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So while I don???t have much to compare it too in this genre, I???ve already gotten more value from this game than most other games I have played. (and I???ve played a lot of em). I just finished Vampire Bloodlines, and while an excellent game IMO, it still only took me approx. 50 or so hrs. to complete. HL 2 took me about 20 hrs, and again, while it???s a great game, unless you play a lot of on-line stuff, (which I personally don???t like in an
FPS), it???s basically over after that amount of time.

Single player games issues with how long they take to complete are not new and its also something you cannot compare with a MMORPG, they are diferent concepts and have diferent goals.

A MMORPG sould allow you to live there as a single player game is just to make people to "win" the game.

Problem is Guild Wars allows you to "win" but not live and that is the issue, basicly this is a co-op version of single player game.

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My point is, what do you want for 50 bucks and no monthly fee? I???ve heard there???s going to be some new FREE content at the end of the summer as well as an xpack sometime next yr. Sure there are some problems with it, ( I personally hate the fact that you???re restricted where you can go), but lets face it nothing is perfect. Other than the original Deus Ex, which is IMO the best PC game ever made, I???ve already gotten more enjoyment and bang for my buck with this game than any other I???ve ever played.

Just my 2 cents.

You are still a new player, beat the game and ascend 3 characters and look back at the game ... sure its impressive when we are playing for the first time but take enough time and you start to realize this game is a pretty awful presistent world.

This is not a evolution of MMORPGs, this is a spin off evolution of single players games with a co-op mode taken too far.

Those are my 2 cents.

Jul 29, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#1
fezz47 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	Why so much complaining? Just wanted to put my 2 cents in about some of the posts I???ve seen lately on these boards. Now first off, I see nothing wrong with people offering their opinion on the quality of a game, their likes dislikes etc. That???s what these forums are for. It makes sense to do this as the devs hopefully read these posts and will do things to improve the game. But the thing I personally don???t understand are the number of posts complaining about the lack of things to do after you???ve done the main quests. I???m at level 16 now and just checked my time logged in and it???s over 100 hrs! Now that???s about half of the mission quests I believe, so I have a considerable amount of the game still to play. Now granted I suck at these type games as I???ve only played one other on-line game before and only for a couple of months. While I enjoyed this other game, the grinding, and lack of other players at my level made the game un-enjoyable after a while so I quit and saved myself 150 bucks a year. So while I don???t have much to compare it too in this genre, I???ve already gotten more value from this game than most other games I have played. (and I???ve played a lot of em). I just finished Vampire Bloodlines, and while an excellent game IMO, it still only took me approx. 50 or so hrs. to complete. HL 2 took me about 20 hrs, and again, while it???s a great game, unless you play a lot of on-line stuff, (which I personally don???t like in an FPS), it???s basically over after that amount of time. My point is, what do you want for 50 bucks and no monthly fee? I???ve heard there???s going to be some new FREE content at the end of the summer as well as an xpack sometime next yr. Sure there are some problems with it, ( I personally hate the fact that you???re restricted where you can go), but lets face it nothing is perfect. Other than the original Deus Ex, which is IMO the best PC game ever made, I???ve already gotten more enjoyment and bang for my buck with this game than any other I???ve ever played. Just my 2 cents.

Jul 29, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51	#11
Sanji Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Mo/	Pretty much the same reason you all are complaining or anybody complains for that matter. They're blowing out hot air over something that frustrates them that they don't understand. Last edited by Sanji; Jul 29, 2005 at 08:54 PM // 20:54..

Jul 29, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41	#2
Darkest Dawn Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Profession: W/Mo	I agree. Constructive sharing of issues so the game is improved is very important. However, some people just like to complain....... <shrugs>

Jul 29, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#3
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	most of the players complaining about nothing left to do have clocked well over 500 hours and can't get mommy to buy them a new game. There is plenty to do in Guild Wars...and after your 500 hours go do something else. The problem is that the majority of the Guild Wars community is children 11-15. Summer vacation means they have nothing to do and thus they sit in front of the computer 14 hours a day playing Guild Wars...no game lasts forever, you got your moneys worth.....

Jul 29, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37	#4
Shadowdaemon Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Anderson IN USA Guild: Ecks Di [xD] Profession: W/N	i dont know how many hours i have put into GW, but its been alot, and i still think there is plenty to do, right now i am saving up for fissure armor, by the time i am done doing that, i am gonna help someone else do it, and i still go back and try and see how much of the game i can do solo, and work on different skill combonations and al sorts of stuff, i really cant see how much more people expect from a game, but i think GW is GREAT.

Jul 29, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#5
Bwsk8 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: R/E	Guild Wars is a great game. The best computer game ever IMHO. But since there is not monthly fee and it is online things are constantly changing and need improvment. So thats why players complain. Not because the game sucks but because people get fustrated with things such as the trade channel and the item drops. If we all paid $15 a month then they would deliver results extermely quick. Therefor since we do not we have to wait for results and thet causes complaining.

Jul 29, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#7
Sir Skullcrasher Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: 15 over 50 [Rare] Profession: W/Mo	i don't think a auction house would be a good ideas.. since 70% to 80% of the players online for GuildWars are either selling stuff or trying to clear out their storage. If a-net did put a auction house in the game, most of the city or server would be half full or almost empty, which would cost people to team up with henchies instead of high level character. althought i could be wrong

Jul 29, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#8
Arthur Eld Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Heathenreel Profession: Me/E	I agree. Deus Ex is the greatest game. Ever.

Jul 29, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09	#14
Phades Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005	Nah, blizzard pretty much followed the SOE template and are taking their sweet time to fix important things, while milking the community for what its worth. Of course it could be more of the VUG policy than blizzards in this instance, but i doubt anyone outside of the loop truly knows for sure. Then again ANET is taking the hardline against things like botters, while E&G turned a blind eye to them, but they are both under NCsoft...

Jul 29, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15	#15
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	I still say that ANet has offered more to its playerbase than any other company I've seen in any game I've played. They may not have brought forth much content yet as I suspect a lot of their time in this game's infancy has been fixing bugs and such. Who's to say that content won't be forthcoming more frequently as the number of bugs goes down? And even without content updates, ANet has been VERY good about patching bugs and exploits. You can't fault them there. As for the complaining? It's just human nature, I suppose. No one can please everyone all the time. It's just that when some are happy, others aren't. When the others are happy, some are not. And, I think that if you asked most people, they wouldn't honestly see their posts as complaints. Most would view them as constructive criticism.

Jul 30, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30	#16
Synncial77 Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Well, one reason that you see so much complaining is because THAT'S the reason why alot of people jump onto the forums in the first place - they see a problem with the game and are hoping to get their voices heard. Very few people join a game-specific forum for the soul purpose of praising the game in question. Sure some people create threads of support as a response to to the negativity..but rarely will you see someone starting such a thread purely as their own idea. ---- Speaking about the updates in particular, the way I see it is that alot of people who visit these forums have become bored of the game. I believe that many of these people are looking to each "update" in hopes that it will add some new/fresh content. This is why you see people complaining if Anet misses a week or two. Not because there's really any specific thing that they think needs fixing...just that they want something new to do (even though the updates aren't even really meant for that sort of thing).

Jul 30, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48	#17
Shayul Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Blades of Redemption Profession: Mo/E	And even if said update is something that effects them negatively, they can still have hours of fun whining/ranting about it on the forums! =D

Jul 30, 2005, 01:55 AM // 01:55	#18
Tuna Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Dark Horizons	People are complaining because ANet has been ruining an excellent game for quite some time. People were also promised things via interview/press release/etc that never turned up in the game. When people feel cheated, disrespected, and are generally unhappy with a product they tend to complain. You'll also find it interesting that shortly after retail folks such as Standard AI, me, and other 'PvPers' were meeting a lot of flak for our ideas. However, it seems that the majority of the community feels that somthing must change. The reason for this is simple. The thread starter is lvl 16; he probably sees absolutely nothing wrong with this game, as proven by his post. I agree with him from his point of view, at lvl 16 nothing needs major fixing. Unfortunatley we aren't lvl 16 forever. It seems to me that currently the 'casual gamer' is at the same spot the power gamers were a month ago. This means they are seeing the same frustrations we did and are slowly switching views.